Filed under: Pet Bird Cage
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I am well aware of that.
>The size difference isn’t significant in this instance. She wanted to know >if it is safe to get a cat while having a bird. I say yes, whether it is a >tiel or budgie, finch or cockatoo. > A cockatiel is almost twice the size of a budgie and ten times more
aggressive.
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You have to watch your pets closely. I have dogs that I have to keep separated, so it has turned out that it is not that difficult to play musical dogs. They ignore my budgies except when they are really loud, then it’s just curious watching behavior for a few seconds, that’s it. However, I would never have them in the same room when the budgies are out. I plan on getting a kitten soon, and the same rule will apply. No matter how good they act, it’s just asking for trouble to have them in the same room at the same time. If the budgies got excited and flew to the floor, I couldn’t trust my dogs with them. Even though they ignore them most of the time.
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>My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my >chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? >Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the >cage. > The bird will be in constant danger with any cat around. Even if you get a cat > which never looks at the bird in your presence, it can and eventually will be > dangerous to the bird.
Am I unique?? I have 6 cats, 6 dogs and a lot of birds. Neither the cats or dogs has ever killed, attacked or anything else, any of my birds. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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Yes I would. My birds lives are just as important, if not more,important as mine.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you are responsible then nothing will happen to the birds. > Would you bet your own life on that? > Jack > — > aka Keet Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/ > * If you post a followup, -DO NOT- email me a copy of it! * > Top-posters are generally ignored
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> My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage.
They can but it takes WORK. Get a young cat so it will grow up knowing the bird is a friend and not food. We have several birds and several cats. The birds used to have the run of the house just like the cats and liked to walk on the floors (wings clipped). I once caught the birds a few times sitting on the cats preening them. The meaner birds would chase the cats and the cats held no complaints under my attentive gaze ("Tiny, the bird is your friend if you so much LOOK at him wrong I swear…"). 
We have sheep, dogs, chicken, duck, canaries, cockatiels, rabbit, donkey, fish, and cats. Rarely do we have troubles and when we do we WORK with the animals involved to get then over it. Our German Shepherd/ Chow cross used to love to harass the sheep with a fence between them. Well, we scolded him, let him sniff the babies while in our arms. He’s not the brightest dog I’ve ever had. He never learned (from us) to leave them alone until he snuck into their pen one night and got a good beating by the mother ewes. THEN he left them alone. *sighs* Kids. The cats have learned they can get along with the dog as long as they don’t run. he isn’t interested in them if they don’t run. Now a days they’ll go right up to him and rub him legs purring. So, yes. Inter-species animal friendships are very possible.
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> I am afraid that you are too optimistic.
And I am afraid you forgot how to read. My entire post was supporting WHY I thought inter-species relationships were possible using examples from my own family of animals. I ignore you now.
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>And I am afraid you forgot how to read. My entire post was supporting WHY I >thought inter-species relationships were possible using examples from my own >family of animals. I ignore you now.
One of these days, you’re going to find a heap of cat poop with a beak in it. http://www.littletinywit.com/Column_09162002.html http://www.littletinywit.com/News_08052002.html I sit in judgment.
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> There can be a very big difference between how a cat behaves with a tiel and > how a cat behaves with a smaller bird like a budgie.
Back when our birds were allowed to have the run of the house we had both tiels and parakeets. The keets and tiels together would run around in small groups on the floor among the cats and our small silky terrier dog. No problems but we WORKED with all the animals to get them that way. First off it started with discouraging the cats from even staring at the bird cages. Then "introducing" the birds to them out of the cage (in our hands) and discouraging any touching. Etc. etc. Baby steps.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to > get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage. > They can but it takes WORK. Get a young cat so it will grow up knowing the > bird is a friend and not food. We have several birds and several cats. The > birds used to have the run of the house just like the cats and liked to walk > on the floors (wings clipped). > I once caught the birds a few times sitting on the cats preening them. The > meaner birds would chase the cats and the cats held no complaints under my > attentive gaze ("Tiny, the bird is your friend if you so much LOOK at him > wrong I swear…"). > > We have sheep, dogs, chicken, duck, canaries, cockatiels, rabbit, donkey, > fish, and cats. Rarely do we have troubles and when we do we WORK with the > animals involved to get then over it. Our German Shepherd/ Chow cross used > to love to harass the sheep with a fence between them. Well, we scolded > him, let him sniff the babies while in our arms. > He’s not the brightest dog I’ve ever had. He never learned (from us) to > leave them alone until he snuck into their pen one night and got a good > beating by the mother ewes. THEN he left them alone. *sighs* Kids. > The cats have learned they can get along with the dog as long as they don’t > run. he isn’t interested in them if they don’t run. Now a days they’ll go > right up to him and rub him legs purring. > So, yes. Inter-species animal friendships are very possible.
I am afraid that you are too optimistic. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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If you are responsible then nothing will happen to the birds. If a pet bird dies due to a pet cat then it is the fault of the owner, not the cat. FYI my second cat was 4 years old when I got him and it took me and a water bottle all of a month to train him that birds are not to be even looked at. If you take the time then it is possible to have cats and birds live together. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The size difference (90g compared to 35g) and the way the birds > behave/move/fly is very significant. > BTW, you really think because you have had a good experience with your cat > and birds that that means it’s very likely everyone else will too? > Your expereience is the exception, not the norm, yet you advise the woman to > do something which may get her bird killed. Human thought process amazes me. > Dave > The size difference isn’t significant in this instance. She wanted to know > if it is safe to get a cat while having a bird. I say yes, whether it is a > tiel or budgie, finch or cockatoo. > > There can be a very big difference between how a cat behaves with a tiel > and > > how a cat behaves with a smaller bird like a budgie. > > Dave > > > I have 2 cats and they are fine with the birds. I got Symakoe when he > was > > 10 > > > weeks and raised him with the birds. He thinks that they are wonderful > and > > > loves to rub up against them when ever he gets the chance. It is all > in > > how > > > you raise them. I also have 2 dogs and they are fine with them as > well. > > All > > > 8 tiels are still living!! It is people who have never had a cat that > > think > > > that ALL cats are mousers. > > > > My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are > my > > > > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better > to > > > get? > > > > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of > the > > > > cage.
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The size difference (90g compared to 35g) and the way the birds behave/move/fly is very significant. BTW, you really think because you have had a good experience with your cat and birds that that means it’s very likely everyone else will too? Your expereience is the exception, not the norm, yet you advise the woman to do something which may get her bird killed. Human thought process amazes me. Dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The size difference isn’t significant in this instance. She wanted to know > if it is safe to get a cat while having a bird. I say yes, whether it is a > tiel or budgie, finch or cockatoo. > There can be a very big difference between how a cat behaves with a tiel > and > how a cat behaves with a smaller bird like a budgie. > Dave > > I have 2 cats and they are fine with the birds. I got Symakoe when he > was > 10 > > weeks and raised him with the birds. He thinks that they are wonderful > and > > loves to rub up against them when ever he gets the chance. It is all in > how > > you raise them. I also have 2 dogs and they are fine with them as well. > All > > 8 tiels are still living!! It is people who have never had a cat that > think > > that ALL cats are mousers. > > > My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are > my > > > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to > > get? > > > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of > the > > > cage.
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The size difference isn’t significant in this instance. She wanted to know if it is safe to get a cat while having a bird. I say yes, whether it is a tiel or budgie, finch or cockatoo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There can be a very big difference between how a cat behaves with a tiel and > how a cat behaves with a smaller bird like a budgie. > Dave > I have 2 cats and they are fine with the birds. I got Symakoe when he was > 10 > weeks and raised him with the birds. He thinks that they are wonderful and > loves to rub up against them when ever he gets the chance. It is all in > how > you raise them. I also have 2 dogs and they are fine with them as well. > All > 8 tiels are still living!! It is people who have never had a cat that > think > that ALL cats are mousers. > > My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to > get? > > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > > cage.
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There can be a very big difference between how a cat behaves with a tiel and how a cat behaves with a smaller bird like a budgie. Dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have 2 cats and they are fine with the birds. I got Symakoe when he was 10 > weeks and raised him with the birds. He thinks that they are wonderful and > loves to rub up against them when ever he gets the chance. It is all in how > you raise them. I also have 2 dogs and they are fine with them as well. All > 8 tiels are still living!! It is people who have never had a cat that think > that ALL cats are mousers. > My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to > get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage.
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> Spend a day in the lion’s cage at the zoo. Depend soley on the keeper for > your safety. See how you like it. > Jack
What a suck ass (meaning bad – I’m not offering or requesting anything Jack so calm down) analogy. Especially from someone who scoffs at other peoples analogies. — –Jynx– Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail
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I have 2 cats and they are fine with the birds. I got Symakoe when he was 10 weeks and raised him with the birds. He thinks that they are wonderful and loves to rub up against them when ever he gets the chance. It is all in how you raise them. I also have 2 dogs and they are fine with them as well. All 8 tiels are still living!! It is people who have never had a cat that think that ALL cats are mousers.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage.
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My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the cage.
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> My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage.
Ugh! Nil. But, it sounds like you’ve already made your decision. So, why ask? RIP little budgie. — Sincerely, Joanne If it’s right for you, then it’s right, . . . . . for you!!! Play – http://www.jobird.com Pay for Play – http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm Looking for Love? – http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
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If it is your plan, then get a young kitten and teach it to respect the bird. Keep them under your supervision at all times – do not ever leave them alone together. It will require a lot of patience, but you can always combine animals together like this as long as you remain conscious of their behaviour and don’t try to take any easy ways out. They need to be trained to be civil to one another, just as any dogs and cats would. You will need to be very patient and very careful, but it can be done. Many people have dogs, cats, rabbits, mice, etc.. all living under the same roof. All the same, it is not something that can be taken lightly. If you were to get a cat (and not a kitten) I think the training would be immeasurably more difficult and probably not worth risking, unless the cat happens to have come from a home where free-flying birds were the norm. Good luck, Mookie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My daughter wants a cat.. We have a very loving budgie now. What are my > chances of the budgie surviving if we get a cat. What sex is better to get? > Any other suggestions. The bird is used to having its freedom out of the > cage.
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September 17, 2002
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d like to find some books, magazines, or Internet sources which give > information on the history of keeping pet/companion birds. > I have read that the ancient Greeks kept sparrows and magpies as > housepets, and that talking parrots were prized in the days of the Roman > Empire. Ancient Chinese civilizations also maintained "birds of great > beauty" and created wondrous carved, and bamboo, birdcages to display their > pets as early as 300 AD. > In the Dark Ages pet birds primarily entertained people of wealth, but > during the Renaissance exotic avians became available to the working > classes, and their popularity increased as the great trading ships of that > time trafficked in animals and fancy cages. During the 18th and 19th > centuries, European aviculturists were influential members of society, and > the best of them counseled royalty and common people alike on bird husbandry > and health. > From the mid 1800s, and continuing up to the present, the British have > had a love affair with the Budgie, and it’s been said that no parlor in the > UK is truly complete without a cage, stand, and Budgie as the center of > focus. American interest in caged birds began to peak after the civil war, > and by the late 1800s, several cagemakers, most notably Hendryx, were mass > producing attractive and affordable cages. Smaller birds such as parakeets, > canaries, and finches were popular pets during the depression, but > afterwards, larger animals such as Amazons, Mynahs, Macaws, and Australian > psittacines gained favor. Captive breeding programs, which started slowly > during by the 1970s, blossomed in the last decades of the 20th century. > So…..that’s some of the history I’ve been able to pick up by reading this > type of information. Any recommendations would be appreciated. I have kept > birds since I was a kid during the 1950s, and presently have a very friendly > African Grey. Thanks.
I don’t know if these are any use to you. http://www.geocities.com/geoann2/Parrot_History.html http://tms.ecol.net/pets/birdhist.htm — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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I’d like to find some books, magazines, or Internet sources which give information on the history of keeping pet/companion birds. I have read that the ancient Greeks kept sparrows and magpies as housepets, and that talking parrots were prized in the days of the Roman Empire. Ancient Chinese civilizations also maintained "birds of great beauty" and created wondrous carved, and bamboo, birdcages to display their pets as early as 300 AD. In the Dark Ages pet birds primarily entertained people of wealth, but during the Renaissance exotic avians became available to the working classes, and their popularity increased as the great trading ships of that time trafficked in animals and fancy cages. During the 18th and 19th centuries, European aviculturists were influential members of society, and the best of them counseled royalty and common people alike on bird husbandry and health. From the mid 1800s, and continuing up to the present, the British have had a love affair with the Budgie, and it’s been said that no parlor in the UK is truly complete without a cage, stand, and Budgie as the center of focus. American interest in caged birds began to peak after the civil war, and by the late 1800s, several cagemakers, most notably Hendryx, were mass producing attractive and affordable cages. Smaller birds such as parakeets, canaries, and finches were popular pets during the depression, but afterwards, larger animals such as Amazons, Mynahs, Macaws, and Australian psittacines gained favor. Captive breeding programs, which started slowly during by the 1970s, blossomed in the last decades of the 20th century. So…..that’s some of the history I’ve been able to pick up by reading type of information. Any recommendations would be appreciated. I have kept birds since I was a kid during the 1950s, and presently have a very friendly African Grey. Thanks. .
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September 1, 2002
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A friend of mine has a cockateil that she doesn’t seem to know how to take care of. The little thing doesn’t get vitamins, baths, fresh food or attention. She just sits in her cage all day long, never let out anymore because the last time, which was several months ago, she bit her owner. I could use some advice as to what, if anything, I should do. I’d like to teach her owner how to take care of her properly without being pushy or bossy but I don’t think she will accept the advice very well, I’ve tried several times and had to back down. I have many birds myself and I’ve considered asking if I could buy her from them just so she could be taken care of since this person says she can’t stand the bird and couldn’t care less about her. Can someone tell me how to handle this situation without alienating anyone? Also, can someone give me some basic information about cockateils that might be different from other pet birds just in case I need it? Thanks in advance for any help.
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I have been in this situation on a number of occasions and the best solution is to invite the owners over to actually see how happy birds look, sound and act. Explain in rather large detail how much effort it takes to provide all that birds require for a happy fullfilled life. I the event the owners don’t get it, you may suggest that they may have actually gotten a dud bird that requires extra effort, thereby removing any suggestion of inadequacy in their care, and that perhaps with some hands on treatment by an expert such as yourself the bird could be brought around. If all else fails, perhaps if you make a real fuss about treating the bird to some attention and you just happen to have some premium foods & treats and a few toys, you may at least bring a little joy into the birds life – think of it as visiting day for a life sentenced inmate. Persist and perhaps something will stick. How do I know about this, you ask? My sister is an animal impulse buyer with delusions of clingy love but with often tragic results. Lots of luck. Brian
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How in God’s name can you consider such an asshole to be your friend. Just slap her in the puss, grab the bird and SPLIT!!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A friend of mine has a cockateil that she doesn’t seem to know how to take care > of. The little thing doesn’t get vitamins, baths, fresh food or attention. > She just sits in her cage all day long, never let out anymore because the last > time, which was several months ago, she bit her owner. I could use some advice > as to what, if anything, I should do. I’d like to teach her owner how to take > care of her properly without being pushy or bossy but I don’t think she will > accept the advice very well, I’ve tried several times and had to back down. I > have many birds myself and I’ve considered asking if I could buy her from them > just so she could be taken care of since this person says she can’t stand the > bird and couldn’t care less about her. Can someone tell me how to handle this > situation without alienating anyone? Also, can someone give me some basic > information about cockateils that might be different from other pet birds just > in case I need it? Thanks in advance for any help.
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"Steve A" wrote… > How in God’s name can you consider such an asshole to be your friend. > Just slap her in the puss, grab the bird and SPLIT!!!
Assault, Theft Under $500 and total alienation of protagonist. That’s not very helpful. Brian
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Psst. You forgot Grand Larceny — the defining limit in some states is lower (such as Virginia where it’s only $200). What a totally stupid piece of advice!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Steve A" wrote… > How in God’s name can you consider such an asshole to be your friend. > Just slap her in the puss, grab the bird and SPLIT!!! > Assault, Theft Under $500 and total alienation of protagonist. > That’s not very helpful. > Brian
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September 1, 2002
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My "Chip" loves feet! Especially sneakers. If he’s on my shoulder and I put my feet up on the coffee table, he runs to the sneaker and yells "TWeeeeeeT…TWeeeeeeo!" He’s in Love!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
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Ummmm…. Do you mean you’ve gotten more grudge f#&% in your life than Jynx????
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> More than you’ll ever get in your pathetic life. > > I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in > May > > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, > while > I > > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > > started to with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and > did > > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > > whole new meaning to a foot . Anyone else have this happen to > them???? > I doubt he likes you. It was probably just a grudge f#&% > — > –Jynx– > Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail > .
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More than you’ll ever get in your pathetic life.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while > I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to > them???? > I doubt he likes you. It was probably just a grudge f#&% > — > –Jynx– > Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail > .
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> That’s cute! Well he visited briefly with my feet lastnight and never tried > anything. He is just the cutest little guy in the whole world. I can’t > imagine my like without him.
Lucky is chock-full of personality, and I think the only bad thing about him is his toe fetish. If I leave the room he screams…when I walk back in he looks at me…then down at my feet. I’m with you…I don’t know how I’d get by without my birds! Laurie
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You have our accent all wrong, mate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot… > Your bird’s grandparents used to whoop it up in the Australian > Outback, greeting each other with "G’day, mite, good on yer" etc. > Then one day they were unceremoniously shanghied and carted off to > your continent without their informed consent. Millions of years of > evolution didn’t prepare them for 21st century high-tech life with > large and (mostly) hairless primates. I really admire the valiant > effort they make to adapt! > Regards, Sean
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> I doubt he likes you. It was probably just a grudge f#&% > — > –Jynx– > Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail
Dammit Mick! This should have come with a ‘SPEW ALERT’! L
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That’s cute! Well he visited briefly with my feet lastnight and never tried anything. He is just the cutest little guy in the whole world. I can’t imagine my like without him.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while > I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to > them???? > My BIL’s bird does that too. I just had Lucky here last week while they > were out of town, and he definately has a foot fetish. He even talks to > your feet, saying "pretty toes, hello pretty bird". The talking part is > funny, but those sharp little claws on the toes really sucks! > Laurie
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> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
My BIL’s bird does that too. I just had Lucky here last week while they were out of town, and he definately has a foot fetish. He even talks to your feet, saying "pretty toes, hello pretty bird". The talking part is funny, but those sharp little claws on the toes really sucks! Laurie
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> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
I doubt he likes you. It was probably just a grudge f#&% — –Jynx– Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail .
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> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot…
Your bird’s grandparents used to whoop it up in the Australian Outback, greeting each other with "G’day, mite, good on yer" etc. Then one day they were unceremoniously shanghied and carted off to your continent without their informed consent. Millions of years of evolution didn’t prepare them for 21st century high-tech life with large and (mostly) hairless primates. I really admire the valiant effort they make to adapt! Regards, Sean
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> The breeder that I got my RSE from has a randy M2 that once tried to have his > way with my wrist.
adds a whole new meaning to the english slang ‘one off the wrist’! — gareth-quote of the day ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
The breeder that I got my RSE from has a randy M2 that once tried to have his way with my wrist. — —Stash "If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
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> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
my budgie was trying to talk the cuttlefish into bed yesterday…… — gareth-quote of the day ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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I’ve heard it is actually quite common for a ‘teil to fall head over heals with toes. Not sure why this is, but probably the fact that an average large toe is approximately the same size as your average tiel head. Bella, my pet cockatiel is in love with "chook chook", who is his pet bird thing on wheels that sits on the bottom of his cage. It’s a toy, quite common here in the land of kangaroos, koalas and great swimmers. Perhaps it isn’t love, perhaps chook chook is Bella’s sex toy. ;) Don’t worry, your birdy isn’t strange, it seems to be common in ‘tiels. Cheers Nikki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May > has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least > half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while > I > was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and > started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or > anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did > his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any > other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a > whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to > them???? > my budgie was trying to talk the cuttlefish into bed yesterday…… > — > gareth-quote of the day > ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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I am a bit disturbed right now…my 2 year old tiel that I adopted in May has always had a fondness for feet. He sings to them and spends at least half of his foot visit banging his beak on my foot. Well yesterday, while I was chatting with my cousin, he decided that courting time was over and started to have sex with my foot. I was in shock! I never jumped or anything, I just said "Bernie, you little dirtbag!" and he stopped and did his little, "ewrt" noise tiel thing. If his little cheeks could turn any other colour than orange I bet you they’d be red! I guess that brings a whole new meaning to a foot fetish. Anyone else have this happen to them????
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August 26, 2002
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I pretty much used to consider love birds to be good only for snake food…….but we hand-raised a PFLB this spring, and she has been an amazingly fun and affectionate little character…..lots of personality, and a high-energy little pet. They do have a tendancy to "gnaw" on you a bit, but I now think that this is more playfulness than hostile aggression – people just think their love bird is being "mean"….when it is really just "rough housing". Doug "It’s a flag, not a rag, and we don’t wear it on our head" Charlie Daniels
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I will soon be the owner of a lovebird, my first pet bird. Does anyone have any helpful advice/information about lovebirds? Thanks, Bermudez
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> I will soon be the owner of a lovebird, my first pet bird. Does anyone > have any helpful advice/information about lovebirds? > Thanks, > Bermudez
Stock up on band-aids. — Mama ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird’s Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> -To email me: change nest to net- "It is not only fine feathers that make fine birds." – Aesop
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Congratulations . I have 5 of the little buggers – 4 PF and a masked. 2 of the PF are gentle enough to be handled and play with my 11YO daughter, they are about 3 years old and clutchmates. They both came to us as 2YO previously handfed babies but that hadn’t been handled in quite a while. My daughter clipped their wings and worked with them, within 2 days they were very tame with her. I feed them a good seed mix, fresh sprouts and veggies, the occasional budgie treat stick (less than 1 a month), birdie bread, and various other healthy foods. They really enjoy their toys and are very active, we’re making new toys to provide to them all the time. They all love chewing stuff up so we give them those straw paper plate holders, Jack and Rose (the only 2 that are caged together – not tame) go through one of those in less than a week. I also give them lengths of plastic chain that I hang across the top of the cage with little items hanging from the links, and they like to untie the knots and make the items crash to the bottom of their flight. I think little loveys are really cute, my experience is fairly limited in that I never acquired a hand-raised baby (all mine were taken in when they were either being neglected or previous owners couldn’t keep them anymore) but they really do provide a lot of entertainment and their cheerful sounds delights us every day . I’m sure in your research you’ll see pretty much the same stuff as I’ve read, about handling them daily, etc…so I wouldn’t want to be redundant. I just wanted to share my own experiences with them FWIW. Congratulations on your decision, when will your LB be coming home? — owly http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=chiaowl&P=sherry&AID=0&GID=72976&T=1 Dull women have clean houses.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I will soon be the owner of a lovebird, my first pet bird. Does anyone > have any helpful advice/information about lovebirds? > Thanks, > Bermudez
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> I will soon be the owner of a lovebird, my first pet bird. Does anyone > have any helpful advice/information about lovebirds?
i wonder who chose the name for these birds? they’re a dirty lier whoever they were! hatebirds more like. — gareth-quote of the day ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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> > I will soon be the owner of a lovebird, my first pet bird. Does anyone > have any helpful advice/information about lovebirds? > i wonder who chose the name for these birds? > they’re a dirty lier whoever they were! > hatebirds more like.
I don’t know. When my lot finally go to sleep, and they curl up next to each other they look really cute – aaah! I was surprised that supposed pairs will wife-swap though. All of a sudden one of them decided that he (I think) preferred one half of another pair. Cue lots of raucous squawking for about a week, manic flying around, a few midair collisions that were quite funny in retrospect, one nicked toe, his ex-partner hating him and having to sleep on her own close to the bars so I can talk to her at bedtime. I can quite believe the stories about them killing larger birds given how at times they were lunging at each other. It’s definitely not overcrowding (in case anyone was wondering). I think he just got bored with being bossed around by his ex. He’ll end up bossed around by his new partner if there’s any justice > — > gareth-quote of the day > ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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July 30, 2002
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Could it be that your little girl wants to settle down and start a nest?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Owly! I was curious as to if you have any documentation to support > this???? > Who’s the Harney flock? > ~Mikie > p.s. I checked out your pics yesterday… I like the new site you are > using, it was real easy to get around. Your fids looks great! > She wants to go help the Harney flock get some Nutriberries. > owly > > My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to > spending > > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting > the > > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew > wood > > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for > her > > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is > hoping > > to break out.
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I’m going to check out dotphoto. I’ve got my birdie pics on Yahoo, but they don’t give enough space for a good caption/description of the picture. Another one I’m considering is photofun.com. — Mama ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird’s Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> -To email me: change nest to net- "Good Morning is an oxymoron"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks . I really like dotphoto, very easy to use, and I can take pics of > my daughter and order prints and don’t have to pay those horrendous prices > they charge for school pictures too! > owly > http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=chiaowl&P=sherry&AID=0&GID=72976&T=1 > Dull women have clean houses. > Hi Owly! I was curious as to if you have any documentation to support > this???? > Who’s the Harney flock? > ~Mikie > p.s. I checked out your pics yesterday… I like the new site you are > using, it was real easy to get around. Your fids looks great!
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Whoops! I wrote too soon… scrolled down a bit and there it was the Harney flock…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Owly! I was curious as to if you have any documentation to support > this???? > Who’s the Harney flock? > ~Mikie > p.s. I checked out your pics yesterday… I like the new site you are > using, it was real easy to get around. Your fids looks great! > She wants to go help the Harney flock get some Nutriberries. > owly > > My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to > spending > > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting > the > > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew > wood > > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for > her > > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is > hoping > > to break out.
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Thanks . I really like dotphoto, very easy to use, and I can take pics of my daughter and order prints and don’t have to pay those horrendous prices they charge for school pictures too! owly http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=chiaowl&P=sherry&AID=0&GID=72976&T=1 Dull women have clean houses.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Owly! I was curious as to if you have any documentation to support > this???? > Who’s the Harney flock? > ~Mikie > p.s. I checked out your pics yesterday… I like the new site you are > using, it was real easy to get around. Your fids looks great!
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Nathan- Sometimes providing a large cluster of twigs , bundled up and hung high in the cage will encourage wood-chewing. Or you might try weaving a bunch of thin twigs and leather thru the bars in the area that she usually chews on. I have seen this kind of bar-chewing "changed" to wood chewing by both approaches. I think its best to use natural twigs, with the bark still intact – dry pine and oak twigs are generally safe, just rinse them well before use. Doug
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That’s a good idea. Thank you. I’ve tried weaving paper and cardboard in the bars and the caique has paper cups to play with and chew up.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nathan- > Sometimes providing a large cluster of twigs , bundled up and hung high > in the cage will encourage wood-chewing. Or you might try weaving a > bunch of thin twigs and leather thru the bars in the area that she > usually chews on. > I have seen this kind of bar-chewing "changed" to wood chewing by both > approaches. I think its best to use natural twigs, with the bark still > intact – dry pine and oak twigs are generally safe, just rinse them well > before use. > Doug
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>She has taken to spending literally hours
>at a time standing at the back of her >cage and biting the bars. My female budgie has been doing this for about a week now. She’ll get one foot on the bar and one foot on the perch, and then take her back and squish it up against the bars and contort her head to chew the bar. I know for a fact it isn’t a break out attempt as she doesn’t care to be out of the cage. I’ve attributed it to hormones and the wacky way birds lead their lives. Ravl
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Hi Owly! I was curious as to if you have any documentation to support this???? Who’s the Harney flock? ~Mikie p.s. I checked out your pics yesterday… I like the new site you are using, it was real easy to get around. Your fids looks great!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> She wants to go help the Harney flock get some Nutriberries. > owly > My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew > wood > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for > her > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is > hoping > to break out.
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My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew wood and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for her to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is hoping to break out.
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> My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew wood > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for her > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is hoping > to break out.
Doesn’t she get to come out? — Sincerely, Joanne If it’s right for you, then it’s right, . . . . . for you!!! Play – http://www.jobird.com Pay for Play – http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm Looking for Love? – http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
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She wants to go help the Harney flock get some Nutriberries. owly
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew wood > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for her > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is hoping > to break out.
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I have a feeling you this bird is going insane. Do you ever let her out? Get a saparte bird stand and let her sit with you when you watch tv, or are folding laundry, or just doing everyday things. Pet birds should not be locked in thier cages all day, if you are home. Try more interaction with her, she is trying to get your attention, and it seems to be working. Whenever she makes this noise, do you run to her cage and tell her to stop.?? That is the attention she wants, and you are falling for it hook, line and sinker. Take her out of the cage and let her sit with you, how about when you are typing these post??? Where is she then? Kathie Sonny (The Senagal) & Gucci (The Meyers) Good Luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending > literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the > bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I > don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew wood > and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for her > to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is hoping > to break out.
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> Doesn’t she get to come out? > — > Sincerely, > Joanne
Oh yes. She is out for about 30 minutes in the morning and again for over an hour in the afternoon. I can’t let her out when a stranger is in the house, however, because she will attack anyone she doesn’t know.
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>My female, 9-year-old caique is driving us nuts! She has taken to spending >literally hours at a time standing at the back of her cage and biting the >bars. The clicking sound of her beak in the bars goes on all day long. I >don’t know if she is trying to eat the paint or what. She doesn’t chew wood >and she will occasionally chew cardboard. There are a number of toys for her >to play with, but it’s the bars that have got her doing. Maybe she is hoping >to break out.
Caiques are very active birds, and don’t like to be caged. They get bored easily. They are usually one person birds, and can be very aggressive to other birds, and people. She may be looking to nest. Now, I would have her checked for metal toxicity from chewing on the cage bars. This can cause birds to go crazy. Regards
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July 13, 2002
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I saw this mentioned on another list, (hi Jynx!) and I want to ask for opinions, stories, whatever, having to do with the care of handicapped birds…. I have a one footed budgie that can’t perch, but appears to live quite happily in a large cage that has been made, erm, handicap accessable (flat slats instead of round perches etc). The other budgie spends lots of time him, and he is an otherwise healthy bird who flys around the cage and gets around great as long as he is on a stable (ie newspaper or slat) surface. Because he can’t perch, I have learned that he needs to hide when frightened (PTSD I guess 
) so he has a inverted flower pot cave to dash into if he feels at a disadvantage. Does anyone else have any experiences like this? Are there any health issues that I (we) need to know about? Thanks! Naj, Life can not always be a party, but while we are here, we might as well dance. —Hans Bos http://www.lotusdance.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I saw this mentioned on another list, (hi Jynx!) and I want to ask for > opinions, stories, whatever, having to do with the care of handicapped > birds…. > I have a one footed budgie that can’t perch, but appears to live quite happily > in a large cage that has been made, erm, handicap accessable (flat slats > instead of round perches etc). The other budgie spends lots of time him, and > he is an otherwise healthy bird who flys around the cage and gets around great > as long as he is on a stable (ie newspaper or slat) surface. Because he can’t > perch, I have learned that he needs to hide when frightened (PTSD I guess ) > so he has a inverted flower pot cave to dash into if he feels at a > disadvantage. > Does anyone else have any experiences like this? Are there any health issues > that I (we) need to know about?
i once had a budgie who while not one legged did have deformed claws. she lived a happy life-in her old age (she lived until 
she did have arthritis trouble which caused her to have problems but for all that she did live a happy life. you only have to see how many one footed pigeons there are out there living in far tougher conditions than our pampered budgies to realise how resourceful they can be. — gareth-quote of the day ‘bring me my dinner wife’
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Here are some sites that you may want to check out. http://www.fcaviary.com/special.htm http://www.avianweb.com/specialabledbirds.htm http://www.holisticbird.com/HBN01/octnov/pages/specialneeds1.htm Regards
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I saw this mentioned on another list, (hi Jynx!) and I want to ask for > opinions, stories, whatever, having to do with the care of handicapped > birds…. > I have a one footed budgie that can’t perch, but appears to live quite happily > in a large cage that has been made, erm, handicap accessable (flat slats > instead of round perches etc). The other budgie spends lots of time him, and > he is an otherwise healthy bird who flys around the cage and gets around great > as long as he is on a stable (ie newspaper or slat) surface. Because he can’t > perch, I have learned that he needs to hide when frightened (PTSD I guess ) > so he has a inverted flower pot cave to dash into if he feels at a > disadvantage. > Does anyone else have any experiences like this? Are there any health issues > that I (we) need to know about? > Thanks! > Naj, > Life can not always be a party, but while we are here, we might as well dance. > —Hans Bos > http://www.lotusdance.com
I’ve see quite a few pet birds with clipped wings. It’s really pitiful. Many can never fly again even after the feathers regrow. — Lou Boyd
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I saw this mentioned on another list, (hi Jynx!) and I want to ask for > opinions, stories, whatever, having to do with the care of handicapped > birds…. > I have a one footed budgie that can’t perch, but appears to live quite happily > in a large cage that has been made, erm, handicap accessable (flat slats > instead of round perches etc). The other budgie spends lots of time him, and > he is an otherwise healthy bird who flys around the cage and gets around great > as long as he is on a stable (ie newspaper or slat) surface. Because he can’t > perch, I have learned that he needs to hide when frightened (PTSD I guess ) > so he has a inverted flower pot cave to dash into if he feels at a > disadvantage. > Does anyone else have any experiences like this? Are there any health issues > that I (we) need to know about? > Thanks! > Naj,
My one footed bird is a Senegal. At first I thought I’d have to make her cage ‘handicap accessible’. As it turns out she didn’t need anything special. Horizontal bars do come in handy, but she’d do fine without them. — –Jynx– Do something about ‘yourattitude’ to reply via e-mail
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We have one female budgie, Luz, who had a bad back "toe’. She had surgery, so she now has a stub which she can hook around a perch. She is a bit clumsy and is she is undersized–I figure she got pushed out of the food dish a lot. She seems prone to respiratory infections and once lost all the feathers on her head, which grew back after we gave her vitamins. We watch her carefully since she seems so fragile. However, on the other hand, she is The Alphakeet and rules the roost. The three other keets are afraid of her and she keeps me in my place as well–a real Keet Queen! Mary
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June 29, 2002
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Hi everyone I’ve been lurking in this group for a while now and would like to thank you all for all the great tips. I was wondering if maybe I could get a little help with training my new cag? First a little background, I am fairly new a birds so I am very open for help.Bing (the bird) is five months old and was not hand fed and not tame at all. He will let me scratch and pet him and is just fine if he is in his cage or on my lap but if I try to get him to perch on my hand, arm or a stick he will just flutter off to the floor. His wings have been clipped so he can’t fly. I’m not sure how to keep this from happening and can’t find anything in print for help. I’m not sure if he is doing it out of lack of trust or if I’m doing it do to lack of experience. If you have any suggestions at all I would really appreciate them. Thanks, Jim
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi everyone > I’ve been lurking in this group for a while now and would like to thank > you all for all the great tips. > I was wondering if maybe I could get a little help with training my new cag? > First a little background, I am fairly new a birds so I am very open for > help.Bing (the bird) is five months old and was not hand fed and not tame at > all. > He will let me scratch and pet him and is just fine if he is in his cage > or on my lap but if I try to get him to perch on my hand, arm or a stick he > will just flutter off to the floor. His wings have been clipped so he can’t > fly. I’m not sure how to keep this from happening and can’t find anything in > print for help. > I’m not sure if he is doing it out of lack of trust or if I’m doing it do > to lack of experience. > If you have any suggestions at all I would really appreciate them. > Thanks, > Jim
IMHO Your best sources of info are books, specifically My Parrot My Friend, and the newsletter, Pet Bird Report. you need to keep working with him. Take him into a neutral room, put him on a " T-stand" and have him step up ( while you are saying it ) over and over for about 10 – 15 minutes. Praise him each time he does it correctly. Do this several times a day . Stevo and Ju Ju the Jardine’s
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Jim, Get the book My Parrot My Friend. It is a wonderful book with lots of great information on raising and caring for your bird. I have a Timneh african grey and Pepper is a little stinker. He was hand tame and will step up on my hand. You will need lots of patience and you need to take it slowly if Bing is not tame. Try subscribing to an african grey mail list (CAGTAG or The Grey Connection are 2 that I know of). There are wonderful grey owners on those lists that will be more than happy to help you with training tips. I would start with teaching Bing to step up. Don’t let him come out of his cage unless it’s on a stick (to begin with) or your hand. As he’s a baby he should be easier to teach early on. Every time he flutters to the floor pick him up by putting your finger just above his feet and gently putting pressure against him saying step up. He will have to lift his feet and step up on to your finger. You must not show any signs of being scared he will just feed on that. If he bites firmly say no bite! Do not yell, do not scream (I know hard to do when bitten by a grey), he will think it is a game and continue to do it. It’s hard to explain in an email. Read the book, sign up with a mail list and take things slowly. Good Luck, Pat jimandsteph wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was wondering if maybe I could get a little help with training my new cag? > First a little background, I am fairly new a birds so I am very open for > help.Bing (the bird) is five months old and was not hand fed and not tame at > all. > He will let me scratch and pet him and is just fine if he is in his cage > or on my lap but if I try to get him to perch on my hand, arm or a stick he > will just flutter off to the floor. His wings have been clipped so he can’t > fly. I’m not sure how to keep this from happening and can’t find anything in > print for help. > I’m not sure if he is doing it out of lack of trust or if I’m doing it do > to lack of experience. > If you have any suggestions at all I would really appreciate them. > Thanks, > Jim
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You can have many birds and they will still go crazy for you if you give > them love and attention. > I have six in my main room and they keep each other company and play > together if I’m not around, but they have a GREAT time with me and are very > needy of my attention. > Birds are flock animals so I always think it’s best that a bird has at least > one other bird friend with them at all times. They are very emotional > creatures who need company and mental stimulation. Single birds who get > little attention can actually develope mental problems or even go crazy just > like a child would who was isolated. > Dave > My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if > we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same > cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
While this is true, and has happened, your not telling the "rest of the story". The birds that had serious emotional problems are normally birds that have been totally ignored for long periods of time, not all day while people were at work. Most often this is birds that have been relegated to a basement or garage because the owner did not know how to deal with noise, biting or such. Many people have only one bird, and have a full time job. The birds live a long and healthy life, looking forward to the owners coming home from work.
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You can have many birds and they will still go crazy for you if you give them love and attention. I have six in my main room and they keep each other company and play together if I’m not around, but they have a GREAT time with me and are very needy of my attention. Birds are flock animals so I always think it’s best that a bird has at least one other bird friend with them at all times. They are very emotional creatures who need company and mental stimulation. Single birds who get little attention can actually develope mental problems or even go crazy just like a child would who was isolated. Dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A great many of the people here are multiple bird houses. Our birds do not > like each other much, but want our attention. If anything the problem is > normally jealousy. > That’s my experience. Our house has two conures, two amazons, three macaws, a > CAG and a U2. > Except for a two of the macaws none of the birds like each other well enough to > sit with each other as flockmates. The main problem is my wife and I don’t > have enough shoulders for the birds to perch on without squabbling. > Really, the biggest problem with multiple pet birds is giving them each the > attention they want and need and still accomplishing anything else in your > life. Two birds with two people is probably ok. Of course, too many bird > owners don’t seem to have time for even one bird. > — > Lou Boyd
Luckily my day is my own. If I give one bird in the living room a tickkle and whisper sweet nothings, then I have to go to each cage and do the same. Nobody gets jealous as they know I will get to them eventually. The envy thing works in a positive way though as if I want say the bfa to eat some bit of veggies or fruit which is good for him, and he is doing his "omg you are trying to poison/whack me/poke me,with that" routine, I only have to tell him that I will "give it to Ruby then"(red masked conure), and he comes right over and snatches it off me lol I don,t find owning lots of animals any more difficult than someone who has say 8 children. I make time to spend time with each one, and the rest of the time we make do with flock singing and whistling. I don,t think any of them feels deprived or neglected, but then I am a sad git, who lives for her animals/birds and doesn,t have a life.
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I can only talk about my own experience, I have 7 handfed birds, 3 cockatiels, 1 Quaker, 1 budgie, 2 Lovebirds (the Lovebirds make their nests in the kitchen with us) and they are all tamed and loveable. The Quaker was the first bird and she just as adorable as when she was alone. They do not like one another especially different species and need supervision when they are out of the cage. I breed birds and was told that my breeding pairs would become untamed, it didn’t happen they look after their babies and then sit on our shoulder and go back to the babies. I feel that it’s how much time you have to give them. Lil
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
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> But I do welcome more comments.
I have 6 birds. The conure is our "people" bird. The ‘Tiels get out and play w/the ‘Keets and do their own thing, but if I want too (now that they are seperated and not mating) I can bring them out w/me and let them play. Of the 3 ‘Keets (all caged together), one is very much a people bird, the other two tolerate us and don’t bite, but would just as soon do their own thing. Bobbie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If some of our birds weren’t "Pete’s" birds and some "my" birds, and one > even my 11YO daughter’s, and half of them birds we took in that weren’t > actual "pets" so don’t require a whole lot of individual attention, and add > to that the fact that I work at home and always have a bird with me, > "helping" with just about everything I do, there’s no way we’d find the time > they deserve with us – the ones that want it at least. Your statement about > "still accomplishing anything else in your life" is so true, they have to be > a big part of our lives and it doesn’t leave a whole lot of time for much > else. But of course I wouldn’t have it any other way. > owly > That’s my experience. Our house has two conures, two amazons, three > macaws, a > CAG and a U2. > Except for a two of the macaws none of the birds like each other well > enough to > sit with each other as flockmates. The main problem is my wife and I > don’t > have enough shoulders for the birds to perch on without squabbling. > Really, the biggest problem with multiple pet birds is giving them each > the > attention they want and need and still accomplishing anything else in your > life. Two birds with two people is probably ok. Of course, too many bird > owners don’t seem to have time for even one bird. > — > Lou Boyd
Thanks for the responses so far, they have been helpful. My husband is retired now so we are both here for the bird or birds if I do get the other one. We do travel, but we have done that with Cricket with no trouble and i can see no problem with an additional one, just another traveling cage etc. with the same precautions we use with Cricket. But I do welcome more comments. Sharon
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If some of our birds weren’t "Pete’s" birds and some "my" birds, and one even my 11YO daughter’s, and half of them birds we took in that weren’t actual "pets" so don’t require a whole lot of individual attention, and add to that the fact that I work at home and always have a bird with me, "helping" with just about everything I do, there’s no way we’d find the time they deserve with us – the ones that want it at least. Your statement about "still accomplishing anything else in your life" is so true, they have to be a big part of our lives and it doesn’t leave a whole lot of time for much else. But of course I wouldn’t have it any other way. owly
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That’s my experience. Our house has two conures, two amazons, three macaws, a > CAG and a U2. > Except for a two of the macaws none of the birds like each other well enough to > sit with each other as flockmates. The main problem is my wife and I don’t > have enough shoulders for the birds to perch on without squabbling. > Really, the biggest problem with multiple pet birds is giving them each the > attention they want and need and still accomplishing anything else in your > life. Two birds with two people is probably ok. Of course, too many bird > owners don’t seem to have time for even one bird. > — > Lou Boyd
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> A great many of the people here are multiple bird houses. Our birds do not > like each other much, but want our attention. If anything the problem is > normally jealousy.
That’s my experience. Our house has two conures, two amazons, three macaws, a CAG and a U2. Except for a two of the macaws none of the birds like each other well enough to sit with each other as flockmates. The main problem is my wife and I don’t have enough shoulders for the birds to perch on without squabbling. Really, the biggest problem with multiple pet birds is giving them each the attention they want and need and still accomplishing anything else in your life. Two birds with two people is probably ok. Of course, too many bird owners don’t seem to have time for even one bird. — Lou Boyd
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A great many of the people here are multiple bird houses. Our birds do not like each other much, but want our attention. If anything the problem is normally jealousy. —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
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My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little bird. My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with Cricket if we handle the situation right. My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would loose Cricket as a pet. So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one bird. Sharon
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
I have *loads* of birds, but in my living room are my pets. A bfa, an african grey, 2 quakers, a red masked conure and an umbrella cockatoo, all are attached closely to me, and will still get tickles and cuddles etc, and each will call to me and stuff.I like having several birds because if I have a busy day, they each chatter away to each other and keep each other amused.
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I have 12 birds, some share cages, they all share a room, and the ones who are pets have remained as sweet and "petlike" as ever. There are many people who own multiple birds and each is a fine pet. I share a special bond with several of my parrots, even some who share a cage with another of their kind. owly
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are having a discussion about getting an additional bird. > If you remember I have Cricket a Parrotlet who has been a wonderful bird, > there is nothing about him we don’t like. To us he is the perfect little > bird. > My husband feels like we will loose the closeness we have with Cricket if we > bring another bird into the house. I am speaking specifically of a > Lineolated Parakeet. He has read that if you have more than one bird the > birds will want to bond together. They would not be kept in the same cage. > I think that it could work and we could still maintain the closeness with > Cricket if we handle the situation right. > My husband isn’t opposed to another bird, just that he is afraid we would > loose Cricket as a pet. > So please, can lots of people tell us your experiences with more than one > bird. > Sharon
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June 9, 2002
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>I think some folks are confusing >"grabbing" a terrified new bird, with
>gently cupping a bird in your hands, >along with other methods of gaining >trust. That’s a good word to describe how you should hold them. You cup your hand and they’re so cute with that little head sticking out! >But I have had budgies most of the last
>35 yrs and never had one get anything >but benefit from holding them, so far. That’s been my experience too. Even under tense circumstances, they’ll calm down with a gentle cupping hold. >We treat each bird as the unique
>individual it is, but at some point I think >it’s best they become accustomed to >holding so the times it needs to be >done, it’s not a traumatic new event for >them. Excellent advice. Ravl
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>What you need to realize Jessica is that
>you don’t "tame" a bird.
June 2, 2002
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> We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the time > though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even a minuet. > —
Personally I prefer to waltz with my birds than a minuet
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> To Bob: > Perhaps you should rethink the "Pink Flamingos" image that Gloria can put on > those shirts. Perhaps this image will make people think twice about making > fun of you. > http://www.oneworld.org/index_oc/pix/divine.jpg > and, to Alex: > Would you leave a cage unattended for a Stones concert instead of a minuet? > –Jerry
LOL, new PC, and I never did learn to type, this Notebook is nice so I can watch TV and surf, but the keyboard takes some getting used to.
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When we take our macaw out sometimes he gets distressed by all those new outdoor noises, birds flying over, planes, etc. He just knows that plane is going to come down and eat him. He’s getting much better, but it’s taken time. Now he’s relaxed and climbs around and enjoys himself. With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies outside? Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. TIA
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Actually Gloria did not and could not have seen the post as I have/had the laptop with me at the office, Gloria has the unique abitlity to adlib, as needed, we work with all sorts of unusual people. And Jerry, phone calls are not needed. Not to offend, but then I am to late for that, sigh I am going back to lurking you all scare me. Bob W
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Perhaps you should rethink the "Pink Flamingos" image that Gloria can put > on > > those shirts. Perhaps this image will make people think twice about making > > fun of you. > > http://www.oneworld.org/index_oc/pix/divine.jpg > Might work Jerry! Could you let Sue know that I was just funning with you > all, seems she got worried or something and called my home. Jerry this is > the news group and that is real life and well Gloria was real real confused > by that phone call. > Golly gee, Bob, > We know you were funning us, but Sue was concerned that the reference to > your doppleganger, Divine, would offend either you or Gloria and she > thought a friendly call would be nice. According to Sue, Gloria and she > had a nice conversation about sewing and, because Gloria had seen the > post, she (Gloria) was not confused. Sometimes newsgroup and life > intertwine and our personal interactions go beyond mere posting. We are > not "anonymous" posters, nor are you, and just because we throw a jibe > or two in good fun does not mean that a friendly phone call is verboten. > Jerry (who is rarely confused) > — > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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Might work Jerry! Could you let Sue know that I was just funning with you all, seems she got worried or something and called my home. Jerry this is the news group and that is real life and well Gloria was real real confused by that phone call. Bob W
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your jests cut me to the bone, my darling fat wife makes those shirts for > me > with the blood sweat and tears of a feeble old woman. Continuation of > this > level of hurtful posting may lead to a foot stomping, a cursing out of the > "trollish" regulars and a firm slamming of the door. > Bob W > > > > > We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the > time > > > > > though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even > a > > > > minuet. > > > > > > With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies > > > > outside? > > > > > > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Bill > > > > Peachboy my M-Too is outside as much as the weather allows. We have > a > > > swing > > > > on the deck and a cage in the back garden he even has his own tree. > At > > > > first I worried about preditors then I realized a couple of things, > … > > > > ….they are not much interested in that big ugly pink bird. > > > > Bob W > > > Now, Bob, don’t put yourself down like that. We’ve seen your pictures > and > > > you’re not that ugly. ;?) > > > –Jerry and Sue > > That’s what he has those shirts of his for, scare away the predators > <BG> > To Bob: > Perhaps you should rethink the "Pink Flamingos" image that Gloria can put on > those shirts. Perhaps this image will make people think twice about making > fun of you. > http://www.oneworld.org/index_oc/pix/divine.jpg > and, to Alex: > Would you leave a cage unattended for a Stones concert instead of a minuet? > –Jerry
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With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies outside? Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. TIA Bill
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We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the time though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even a minuet. —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies outside? > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > TIA > Bill
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> With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies outside? > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > TIA > Bill
If you stay out there with them, and the cage is secure, yes, and they usually find it very exciting and enjoyable. However, never leave the cage of birds outside unsupervised. Wind, cats, etc, can create a disaster so quickly. If you live in an area where West Nile Virus is known to exist and you have mosquitoes, some bird experts and vets are recommending not having pet birds outside now. WNV is known to be fatal to at least some species of birds.
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Peachboy my M-Too is outside as much as the weather allows. We have a swing on the deck and a cage in the back garden he even has his own tree. At first I worried about preditors then I realized a couple of things, we are near and he is bigger than most of them, they are not much interested in that big ugly pink bird. Bob W
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the time > though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even a minuet. > — > With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies outside? > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > TIA > Bill
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> you’re not that ugly. ;?) > –Jerry and Sue
Even with that pink flamingo shirt? Dave — Was Today really Necassary? — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the time > > though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even a > minuet. > > > With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies > outside? > > > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > > > TIA > > > Bill > Peachboy my M-Too is outside as much as the weather allows. We have a > swing > on the deck and a cage in the back garden he even has his own tree. At > first I worried about preditors then I realized a couple of things, … > ….they are not much interested in that big ugly pink bird. > Bob W > Now, Bob, don’t put yourself down like that. We’ve seen your pictures and > you’re not that ugly. ;?) > –Jerry and Sue
That’s what he has those shirts of his for, scare away the predators <BG>
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Your jests cut me to the bone, my darling fat wife makes those shirts for me with the blood sweat and tears of a feeble old woman. Continuation of this level of hurtful posting may lead to a foot stomping, a cursing out of the "trollish" regulars and a firm slamming of the door. Bob W
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > We take our birds outside all the time. We are with them all the time > > > though. Even in a cage I would not leave them un attended for even a > > minuet. > > > > With the summer season and warm weather, is it ok to put budgies > > outside? > > > > Leaving them in the cage, on a table, in the shade. > > > > TIA > > > > Bill > > Peachboy my M-Too is outside as much as the weather allows. We have a > swing > > on the deck and a cage in the back garden he even has his own tree. At > > first I worried about preditors then I realized a couple of things, … > > ….they are not much interested in that big ugly pink bird. > > Bob W > Now, Bob, don’t put yourself down like that. We’ve seen your pictures and > you’re not that ugly. ;?) > –Jerry and Sue > That’s what he has those shirts of his for, scare away the predators <BG>
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May 29, 2002
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